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Dec 12, 2023. #12. Set the flint up properly the take the firearm to into a dark room no light. With no powder in the gun Trigger the action while observing for sparks. Assuming the flint is being held tightly so it doesn't move when it strikes the frizzen. If no sparks fly the frizzen is bad and would need replacing.. Nude navajo models

Discuss non-smokeless Inline muzzleloading rifles here! This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.Then, cock the gun to full cock. Slowly screw the little screw in until the rear trigger releases and the hammer falls. Now, unscrew the screw 1 (one) full turn. That is the recommended setup for a set trigger but if you want to adjust it so the front trigger needs to move more, unscrew the screw further.Over time, esp. with heavy use, the brass will kind of "stretch" a bit, loosen up somewhat. The steel costs a bit more, but will last forever if cared for. I saw a brass 1851 in .44 cal. recently (the originals didn't come in .44!) and it looks great. It would be fun to shoot a 1851-style in .44, I'd think.Jan 25, 2024. #8. I have two Pedersoli SXS shotguns - one 12 gauge and one 10 gauge and one Navy Arms 12 gauge made by Pietta. All of them are from the late 70's to the mid 80's. The 10 gauge has very good triggers so does the Navy Arms Pietta. The Pedersoli 12 gauge not so good.When I first got my Walker 4-5 years ago I found the loading lever would drop pretty regularly under recoil. Anther fella on a different board described a minor modification to the loading lever latch that solved the problem. My Walker is made by ASM and I found the latch piece did not have much spring to it like it should.One is a rusty JC Higgens .22 missing its clip, a .177 pellet rifle with a plugged barrel and a rusty CVA 12 guage percussion double barrel shotgun. We have a few kids in the neighborhood so I thought, "It really wouldn't be good for a kid to find these and make off with them. Somebody might get hurt."Jul 26, 2023 · Deer Creek Products | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account ... 32 Cal. A twist rate of 1 in 48 is considered a general compromise, supposedly capable of accurately throwing either a patched roundball or a conical projectile. Doesn't matter if the caliber is .32 or .62. However, like most "generalists", this twist rate probably is not the best for either roundball or conical.Spring Rendezvous Oregon. Please join the Forest Hills Black Powder Brigade for its annual Spring Rendezvous in Mill City, Oregon May 24-27. Events include black powder rifle/pistol/trade gun, hawk and knife, primitive archery, frying pan toss, long gong shoot, children's games and activities, traders, primitive and... gferlitsch.3,489. Reaction score. 4,369. Jan 28, 2021. #1. I recently purchased a Numrich Arms Swivel Barrel rifle (.45). I want to strip finish and brown it. My question is about disassembling the gun. The barrels are held onto the frame by a knurled bolt (?) that uses an allen wrench.Jun 7, 2022. #1. Hello, I am new to cap and ball hand guns but am an avid collector of U.S. Army vintage weapons, my latest acquisition is an 1860 Colt Army, 44 caliber, cap and ball pistol. This one was made in 1863, verified by serial number on the Colt website. I want to be able to shoot this weapon but am not sure what size percussion caps ...Reaction score. 2,919. Nov 5, 2023. #10. 64Springer said: Contact the New York State Police and ask them. Contact New York gun shops in your county and ask them. Contact the company you're buying the muzzleloader from and ask them. That's a good way to get 3 different answers!179. Location. Texas. May 8, 2020. #1. These precision made tools are the preferred way to cone the muzzles of roundball guns either rifled or smoothbore. Greatly eases starting the ball and the long cone allows the ball to be gently swaged into the bore without damage. I believe accuracy is unchanged.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Apr 24, 2005. #4. Use only pure lead conicals and do not push them real hard and your leading should not be a major problem. Even in the modern muzzleloaders when I shoot big conicals, I seldom go past 85 grains of powder. This is for accuracy, recoil as well as to reduce leading.Jan 2, 2020. #1. Hi Guys, A friend asked me to look at the barrel on his India-made Ketland officer's fusil. The barrel and gun were made by Abdul Hakim Usta in 1979. The bolster on the breech plug is very small and it appears to have a flange around it that caps the end of the barrel. The internal plug also has an end that seems to be …I try to explain it like this. The tried-and-true 45/70. 45 cal. lead bullet pushed by 70 gr. black powder. With muzzle energy of more than 1,600 foot-pounds, the 405 grain FP bullet hit a distance of 200 yards and flew at 1,330 feet per second. This bullet easily killed bears, moose, and bison.Oct 14, 2011 · Reaction score. 5. Location. Camino, CA. Yesterday at 4:54 PM. #1. 2007 Traditions Kentucky pistol in excellent used condition. .50 caliber, plains-style percussion pistol w/ hardwood stock, bird’s head grip, 10” octagon barrel, brass furniture, ramrod. Includes leather pistol sleeve. $150 shipped. Oh you are into etching. I made some steel medallions Battery charger very cleaned steel object . Second bit of steel Plain water Plus salt I painted the steel I did not want etched , I recall the positive went to the object and negative to the scrap bit of steel , after 20 mins at 12v the water had become thick and black and deep groves were cut in my medallion where it was not painted.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.I went grey squirrel hunting with a buddy this morning. He used a 36 and I tried my T/C New Englander 12 gauge with cylinber bore. I shot and killed with the first pull of the trigger at a squirrel between 20-25 yards away. The rest of the morning I fired 3 more shots at squirrels from 30...Dear Lifehacker,Figure out the width of the spring steel you will cut from the paper binder, use a wood chisel and chisel a spot for the new cut spring to lay. Cut the spring, drill a hole in it for a small nail to secure it in place. I used a small brass nail, cut to length so it would not protrude into ramrod hole.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.32 Cal. When I discovered a 72 cal Pedersoli Double rifle being offered for sale for only $675, I couldn't believe no one jumped on it before me. Well, I jumped because $675 is a super bargain. These rifles usually sell for $1200 - $1600.Hunt Talk is a website for hunting enthusiasts to share tips, stories, and questions. The Muzzleloaders forum is a section for discussing muzzleloader equipment, loads, and hunting experiences. However, it does not match the query muzzleloadingforum.com, which is a different website.7. Location. Vista, CA. Aug 26, 2023. #1. In my trying the patch over powder I did find more accuracy and consistency of point of impact. That being said, I was wondering about different techniques. I was placing the patch into the barrel only the depth of the short starter and then ramming my patched ball home.In the next few days I'll be out at the board. Going to test 80 grain 2f, 2 over powder cards, 1 & 1/4 oz 5 shot, lubed fiber wad. The second is the same but shot is in a paper shotcup. Third is the same as both but will vary powder down to 70 grain. Hoping for some good results.Aug 8, 2021 · 209 Guests, 3 Users Users active in past 15 minutes: Rufus, The Stumbler, BruceH. Most Online Today: 316.Most Online Ever: 1042 (February 21, 2023, 06:14:54 AM) Nashville. Yesterday at 2:03 AM. #1. Hi all, new to the forum, I recently bought my first BP rifle, an original 1861 Springfield artillery rifle. I shot pyrodex in it and had a stuck ball. So to help lodge it lose I soaked it in lightly soapy water to help break it free. Couple hours later I return and my original patina is removed in like ...In my opinion, for a Production gun, the Pedersoli Rocky Mountain Hawken is the "best" one out there, and perhaps the only true production replica out there. I have had one for years in 54 caliber, which has a 1-65 twist barrel. Mine shoots a patched round ball OR a Hornady GP conical very accurately.127. Reaction score. 252. Dec 23, 2021. #6. necchi said: With the kit stock as received, lightly wet it, that will enhance the grain appearance. If your stock presents areas of open grain (you'll see it) you could use a light slurry of a bone black agent and sand it back a bit after it dries.I just got my 1851 Navy and I'm have more than just a little bit of a hard time trying to get the wedge out. I'll admit I'm not being excessively forceful because I don't want to damage the blueing. I just figured I can't be the first one to experience this, and was hoping to learn any tricks...Canada | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.However, Mr. Woodfill wrote an article in Muzzle Blasts (and a chapter in his book) on shorter-than-average Hawkens, so he did acknowledge their existence. These two signed Hawken rifles were shown in Ned Roberts' book, The Muzzle-Loading Cap Lock Rifle: Both of the above Hawkens have 28" barrels.The front trigger can be fired set or unset. If you lower the hammer to the nipple you can try the set function. Just pull the rear trigger until you feel it click and then lay your finger against the front trigger and press gently…. and the screw between them is for adjusting the front or hair trigger weight of pull.I did get a chance to physically hold a Pedersoli Blue Ridge in a 50 caliber, flintlock, this past Saturday. It was a very used one, at a local gun shop and priced within $70 of a new one. My second choice would be a Lyman Great Plains rifle, in a 50 caliber, percussion....but I'd prefer the long rifle.Spectators | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the …Accoutrements | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks ...Easily a $6-700 rifle without a stuck bullet. My laziness is your gain. $500 firm , PayPal or mailed payments and I'll get it out. Please no lower offers, this is priced beyond fair given that it will cost me $75 to ship which I'll eat for my beloved forum members. No trades, I have enough guns that were once someone else's.Canada | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the account perks you get.347. Reaction score. 188. Feb 14, 2020. #8. I had a .45 caliber CVA "Kentucky" rifle back in 1986-1988. (they did not make it in .50 back then) It was a "tack driver" shooting PRB. I'd guess the identical but for caliber Traditions would/will be the same. I'm hoping to confirm that in a year or three after I get a Traditions "Kentucky" rifle ...Location. People's Republic of Maryland. Nov 17, 2014. #3. A Report published in 2003 compared WANO and Scheutzen to an "improved" version of GOEX that appeared in 2001. The report detailed how in 1993, when WANO made its debut, it was poor powder. However by 2002, it had improved, and was almost as powerful as GOEX.An invoice found in the AFC records for goods sent to the 1834 rendezvous lists "6 steel mounted rifles, Hawken," at $20 each and "10 steel mounted rifles," at $17.50 each. The latter are probably some of the "steel" mounted American pattern rifles that the AFC ordered from JJ Henry based on the listed price.The photos below show one of the famous mahogany stocked rifles by Haines. The rifle I am using for inspiration is #81 shown in RCA vol 1. It is maple stocked but the patch box and carving are very similar to the mahogany stocked rifles. Isaac Haines was arguably the best carver of all the great long rifle makers.Clothing, Cookware, Crafts For Sale/Wanted/Trade. Reenactment clothing, fabric, patterns, cookware and craft finished products and supplies. No commercial sales. You must have 15 posts AND be a member for 30 days OR be a Supporting Member to post here.2. Reaction score. 0. Location. Sarasota, FL. Mar 2, 2024. #1. I would like to alert other members of this forum that I came across a scammer whose MO is to join on the same day multiple online firearms, hunting, and even model train forums. He then researches the specific forum's rules such as the requirement to create 20 to 50 short online ...Traditional Muzzleloading on the Cheap - Info Center. 170762 Posts in 21384 Topics by 144 Members. Latest Member: smdoyle. Latest Post: "Re: Powder" ( Today at 01:44:25 PM ) View the most recent posts on the forum. 27 Guests, 0 Users.Location. Andover, VT. Aug 25, 2012. #2. Nitric acid is technically aquafortis, for sure, but the solution folks use to stain rifles is saturated with iron. Make the 10% or up to 25% solution, add iron shavings or small nails, let it cook uncovered until it is done consuming iron. Filter through a coffee filter, etc, and use this to stain maple.Jaime Lizotte of ComplyRight joins Barry Moltz on The Small Business Radio Show to discuss managing remote employees. * Required Field Your Name: * Your E-Mail: * Your Remark: Frie...Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.In a report released today, Aaron Hecht from JMP Securities reiterated a Hold rating on Essex Property (ESS – Research Report). The compan... In a report released today, Aaro...Put the breech in a bucket of water. Add some soap to aid cleaning especially if you use an oil or greasy patch lubricant. There is a screw in the side of the drum that can be removed to do the flash channel cleaning suggested by @tenngun. I'm not going to improve on the rest of tenngun's suggestions.CA. Mar 31, 2024. #4. The people who are selling "old tools" have found that they are worth more to us "older farts" than new tools. The new tools are not made to the same standards as the old stuff were made. That $1.00 chisel that was at the flea market last week is now an antique and is now selling for $25.00.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Figure out the width of the spring steel you will cut from the paper binder, use a wood chisel and chisel a spot for the new cut spring to lay. Cut the spring, drill a hole in it for a small nail to secure it in place. I used a small brass nail, cut to length so it would not protrude into ramrod hole.Jan 29, 2024. #17. I do not have the current dates but the Prairie State Longrifle Show in Princeton IL usually had quite a few originals. You can probably google them. There is a mediocre show in Sullivan put on by Prairieland Frontiersmen on the 8th of March starting at noon and on Saturday.The dovetails on a CVA Hawken are metric (don't know the exact size) smaller than the 3/8 sights most suppliers have. I bought the 3/8 and with a little judicious filing on them they fit the CVA dovetails. I didn't want to enlarge the dovetails in case I went back to the stock sights. The front & rear are the same size.Jan 28, 2023. #3. I would heavily recommend you get the Dragoon. The Walker is awesome for its size and the history around it, but that size is exactly what eventually makes it just turn into a PITA to shoot. The Dragoon has all the good parts of the Walker while being significantly handier.Many would say the Pennsylvania is more correct due to it's length, I got the Kentucky because I always wanted one and for no other reason. If you compare the two the only real difference is the length and the Pennsylvania doesn't have a patchbox other than that everything appears to be the same.Location. Andover, VT. Aug 25, 2012. #2. Nitric acid is technically aquafortis, for sure, but the solution folks use to stain rifles is saturated with iron. Make the 10% or up to 25% solution, add iron shavings or small nails, let it cook uncovered until it is done consuming iron. Filter through a coffee filter, etc, and use this to stain maple.Reaction score. 634. Jul 6, 2021. #2. With a shorter barrel you are going to have a shorter sight radius, and it may be more difficult to get a good sight picture with the shorter barrels as you get older (fuzzy sights front and rear). I HAD a 24" TC Grey Hawk with both .50 and .54 barrels, both 48" twist.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Canada | The Muzzleloading Forum. This community needs YOUR help today. We rely 100% on Supporting Memberships to fund our efforts. With the ever increasing fees of everything, we need help. We need more Supporting Members, today. Please invest back into this community. I will ship a few decals too in addition to all the …Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Dear Lifehacker,Here are 25 Best Muzzleloader Forums you should follow in 2024. 1. The Muzzleloading Forum. The Muzzleloading Forum is for owners to discuss Muzzle Loading Classifieds, firearms, general muzzleloading, hunting, reenacting, and so much more. B... more. muzzleloadingforum..loss of accuracy in savage ml2 was great now lousy . ichippedit. Jun 11, 2022. 6. 1K. Sep 1, 2022. by nsb. 1 1 of 89 89. Discussion, questions, and comments on …216. Mar 11, 2022. #1. Hello all. Thought maybe I would share a few pictures of an Underhammer that I've been working on this past winter. The gun was finished basically to in "the white" by my gunsmith. The barrel is a 32" GM LRH 50 cal 1-28 twist. The action is from Taylor Machine.Then make a cutter along the design of a couple of saw teeth that fit the groove. This can cut the groove deeper and is advanced to the next groove. Then a paper shim is placed under the cutter and the process is repeated till the grooves are deepened to your goal. A slow and labor intensive job but rather simple.The Hawken and Renegade are advertised as being .500 bore with .006” grooves. This gives you a total space of .512” that you need to work off of. Subtract the .490 ball and this means you need to make up .022” of space. Divide that in half and you find that you need a minimum of .011” patching for a loose fit.As far as stripping, most of the old bluing was badly worn and almost off. I used progressive papers, 400, 600, 1,000 and 1,500 grit. Degreased with Dawn dish soap and water, rinsed, dried and further degreased with acetone. Applied Van's gun bluing (cold bluing) bought direct from their website.Throat: .448". As final observation, both barrels are tight at the frame threads. Well, that leaves me pretty well stuck as far as improvements. I'd hoped to ream the cylinder to .001 over groove diameter, but I'm not terribly excited about reaming it to .461. At the same time I have only .001" rifling engagement!The lock on the Pedersoli Besses are the style used on pattern 1756 and 1769 Besses with the wrong markings. It shows only one screw hole behind the flintcock because it has a long sear spring. Later Bess locks showed 2 screws because they shortened the sear spring and they added a hole to the top jaw screw.Apr 21, 2004 · 26. Location. Woodlands of Northern New England. Jan 4, 2006. #4. No disrespect intended to Stumpkiller, I'm very big into target shooting and competitive shoots. While target shooting i've had many people come over to watch me with a muzzleloader,try mine and then get into muzzleloading at our club shoots. 391. Reaction score. 0. Oct 25, 2004. #12. Nothing wrong with an inexpensive, budget, frugal-living rifle like the CVA Bobcat or clones. Yeah, the lock isn't the best, and the plastic stocks on the new ones look and feel pretty crummy, and the sights are just plain old ugly. BUT... they're shooters.First off, let me say that I am brand new to flintlock hunting. I have been hunting my entire life and been around guns my entire life. I have hunted with in line muzzle loaders for many years. I bought the Pa. Pellet for the simple reason that it gave me the ability to hunt for a few more weeks in northwest Pa. without breaking the bank.

69 Cal. I'm working on a TOW Brown Bess Kit, which according to Jess Melot the owner of the rifle shoppe, the 1746 Wilets kit was a kit he designed 30 years ago for CD Jarnigan Co. That was copied over by Track of the Wolf. On a difficultly level, I can't really say much because its my first kit build.. Coco austin nude photoshoot

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Apr 30, 2018 · Mar 1, 2024. AZ Muzzleloaders posted the thread FOR SALE 54 Caliber Custom Hawken. Built from TOTW Parts Set, Curly Maple in Firearms For Sale/Trade/Wanted . Built about 1986 from a Track of the Wolf parts set. Barrel measures 32 1/4" x 1" (actual 0.985"), 1:66 rate of twist. 4. Sep 7, 2008. #8. There's almost as many different types of patchbox release mechanisms as their are schools of longrifles. Some builders that try to recreate specific longrifles as exactly as possible try to use the same type of mechanism as the original rifle they are copying, even if the mechanism is hidden.Then make a cutter along the design of a couple of saw teeth that fit the groove. This can cut the groove deeper and is advanced to the next groove. Then a paper shim is placed under the cutter and the process is repeated till the grooves are deepened to your goal. A slow and labor intensive job but rather simple.About this group. Welcome to 'Traditional Muzzleloading', the foremost Facebook group for enthusiasts and historians passionate about muzzleloading firearms …Nov 25, 2019 · Oct 18, 2020. #1. Yesterday I was fortunate enough to kill a nice buck with my .54 flintlock using a .530 round ball with a .018 patch over 80 grains of Swiss FFG at about 60 yards.. Although I posted the fact I was blessed with success, I neglected to comment on the sheer power displayed by the round ball I shot. 1,161. Nov 20, 2023. #1. Today I received a call from Shiloh Sharps that my percussion 1863 Shiloh Sharps was ready for shipping. However, they said that it had to be shipped to an FFL. When I asked whose rules this was, eventually the lady said it was UPS's rules. I said you could ship through USPS and she said, "If that was an option we would ...Jan 3, 2005 · Location. Montana. Jan 23, 2024. #1. One thing I do like about winter is that it gives me a little spare time to catch up on some of my projects. I just finished this 1769 Pattern Short Land Brown Bess from the Rifle Shoppe. Now I will finish out the TRS Baker rifle I started a while back. I am in the process of making my own stain for curly maple using nitric acid and distilled water in a 5/1 solution. Going to split it up and try adding iron from different sources and see how it work out. My intention is to have one batch with wrought Iron added, another with some 1095 steel I have, and the last batch be a basic acid/water mix.i have had to watch carefully the stain/finish i use for that reason. i have a Pedersoli that any mineral spirit, alcohol, or even some lubes will shed its stain just as yours is doing. try ballistol without water in an inconspicuous place. or wax it down with Rennaissance wax. carefully. even wax ma draw the stain.For just the lock, I haven't found detailed instructions anywhere. Most of it seems pretty straightforward, except for the serpentine. I was considering using a blow torch to bend it in shape, heat the head, and then hit it mostly flat with a big ball peen hammer to try and make the match holder.Reaction score. 5,030. Location. Winchester, VA. Mar 1, 2020. #2. "CMC Single Shot Replica Percussion .44 Caliber Pistol. This was made in the 1970s under license for the Colt Manufacturing Company. (They are marked "CMC")" From a listing on Guns International.com. " CMC SINGLE SHOT REPLICA PERCUSSION PISTOL.In the next few days I'll be out at the board. Going to test 80 grain 2f, 2 over powder cards, 1 & 1/4 oz 5 shot, lubed fiber wad. The second is the same but shot is in a paper shotcup. Third is the same as both but will vary powder down to 70 grain. Hoping for some good results.Messages. 147. Reaction score. 80. Feb 29, 2024. #1. I have two Uberti 1862 Police replicas. One has the Serial # A41989. The other is V02238.Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight. We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.Oct 30, 2022. #1. I am part way through putting my Traditions Hawken kit together, and what might be typical, there are a lot of problems. Biggest besides a general lack of consistency is the lock. Fixed a problem tonight where one of the screws was pulling the entire thing in too far due to lack of support. Installed a brass tube to draw down ...What it looks like, does matter. There are some Yazel pistols that fit the forums idea of what is traditional so, if they look like the pistols that were used in 1866 or earlier, they are allowed. There are many Yazel pistols that look like a cross between a traditional sidelock or underhammer gun and a modern Colt 1911 or a High Standard ....

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